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Winifred's flyover to Clue Outpost, Antarctica | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 |
Winifred is an Unstoppable Action Machine | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 |
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Winifred is an Unstoppable Action Machine | a.k.a. Foot is All You Need
Credit: fantasy flight games
TL;DR: This might be the most fun and broken non-infinite deck I've seen and in my personal (biased) opinion single-handly makes Winifred an A+ investigator.
is my favorite class in AHLCG, and Winifred Habbamock is my favorite rogue. However, while I absolutely loved her ability and unique playstyle, I had never quite figured out her deckbuilding.
Despite having access to some exciting big guns, building her as a main fighter seems like a trap since there are very few good rogue cards with icons. Furthermore, the nature of Wini's ability rewards you for commiting cards to tests, and a fighter only takes tests when there are enemies to fight, which is sub-optimal for her strategy.
So how about cluever-ing? Well, Lockpicks is a staple, Breaking and Entering is great and you can also use Lola Santiago and Intel Report to just buy clues if you're rich, except...
... I realized that Winifred doesn't need any of these.
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Overview
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Main Strategy
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Synergies, Synergies, Synergies
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Bad Cards are Good and Good Cards are Bad
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Team Synergy -- Why Guardians Are Your Best Friends
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Tips on Piloting
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Upgrade Path
Difficulty: | ★★★★☆ |
Enemy Management: | ★★★★☆ |
Clue-getting: | ★★★★☆ |
Encounter protection: | ★★☆☆☆ (improves after future upgrades) |
Survivability: | ★★★☆☆ |
Economy: | ★★★★★ |
Card Drawing: | ★★★★★ |
Team Support: | ★★★☆☆ (improves after future upgrades) |
- Fight with using Ornate Bow
- Investigate with using Thieves' Kit
- Get a ton of extra actions with Honed Instinct, Swift Reflexes and Quick Thinking
- Draw a bunch of cards and make loads of cash in the process
- Did you notice the events above all have icons? Good.
- Also hand out cash, ammo and success for the team, because you are Winifred and you can.
After you are fully set up (Leather Jacket + Hidden Pocket + Thieves' Kit + Ornate Bow + Crystallizer of Dreams + Leo De Luca), you should be commiting two cards to your every action, which means that you will be constantly testing at 7+ for investigate actions (8+ if you're using the upgraded Thieves' Kit), and 9+ for fight actions.
Even with the hard chaos bag (which is the difficulty we played in), this means oversuccess effects like Honed Instinct and Quick Thinking are very easy to trigger, giving you more actions to take more tests and draw more cards.
Later on in the campaign, you will be getting Ace in the Hole. Given how fast you will be cycling your deck, you will naturally be playing this card 2-3 times in a game, which brings a huge amount of value. During our playthrough of Innsmouth, I moved to an adjacent location, engaged and evaded spoilers, and then proceeded to shoot him for 12 damage with the rest of my turn :)
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Crystallizer of Dreams is the centerpiece of your strategy. While what it does in this deck is pretty obvious, one important thing to note is that you can use its effect to keep one-off cards from looping in your deck. For example cards like Emergency Cache, Pay Day and Contraband that don't have icons and are less valuable after you are fully set up.
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Underworld Market is a cornerstone for your set up. It will guarentee you seeing your Thieves' Kit, the Hidden Pocket to put it in, and the cash to pay for everything in at most 5 turns.
- Underworld Market is such a great card for rogues that it reminds me of Stick to the Plan, an auto-include for any who can afford it. One of the reasons why this card is less good is that you'll often times find yourself putting random garbage in your deck just to satisfy the 10-illicit requirement.
- In this deck, however, all of the cards in the market deck serve a purpose. Apart from the cards already discussed, Contraband doubles the supplies on your Thieves' Kit so you never run out, and Embezzled Treasure is a great way to save all of the extra cash you earned at the end of a game and share it with your teammates (or not).
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This deck also has a somewhat interesting use for Friends in Low Places. In the early parts of the scenario, we need it to help us find our Crystallizer of Dreams, Leather Jacket and Ornate Bow. After we're fully set up, the versatile upgrade allows us to search for gambit cards: Swift Reflexes, Honed Instinct, "Watch this!" and Calculated Risk, which gives us more actions, resources and skill values.
One of the reasons why I love this deck so much is how unintuitive some of the card choices can seem, and yet it becomes so obvious once you realize the core logic of how the deck works.
Bad cards are good:
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Contraband is not usually considered an amazing card because of how expensive and situational it is. However things are much different if you can draw it and Thieves' Kit reliably with Underworld Market, and using it on Thieves' Kit essentially pays back the cost (or more with the upgraded version).
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Swift Reflexes is basically the card version of "Skids" O'Toole's ability, the second worst investigator ability in the game. However this card with icons gets much better with Wini's ability and signature asset, not to mention that you will practically be swimming in resources for most of the game. It is also a gambit and is not limited to once per turn.
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Versatile is a really fun and cool card, but most of the times putting in one card in your deck that you wouldn't even draw is not really worth the decrease in consistency of the +5 decksize. However, I managed to convince myself that smuggling a pair of Track Shoes is definitely worth it because:
- It is slotless and increases your , which you will be testing ALL the time.
- Its ability gives you more tests (= more card cycling...!) and free move actions.
- It has both item and clothing traits, meaning you can find it with Friends in Low Places and even put a Hidden Pocket in it...!? On top of accelerating your setup, it frees you up to cycle your Leather Jacket for more damage soak.
- Wini doesn't really care about the increase in decksize. The extra cards can even speed up her cycling more.
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Alright, Narrow Escape is definitely not a bad card, but some might criticize it for being too situational. Well, in this deck Narrow Escape is basically two Unexpected Courages that draws you half a card. Also, as a Ornate Bow user, getting to ignore one AoO is huge.
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21 or Bust is ... still not very good, but at least it's a gambit event that has an icon for your level 0 deck. More importantly it brings a lot of happiness to the table :)
Good cards are bad:
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Lockpicks A test only once per turn? And it doesn't give me anything but a clue? Ewww.
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Faustian Bargain adds curses in the bag, which definitely will be drawn by you because you take tests like crazy. Also no icons.
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Momentum's effect is negligible given the sheer amount of tests you are taking.
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Lucky Cigarette Case is no competition with the accessory slot with Crystallizer of Dreams in this deck. Even if I get Relic Hunter, I would be playing my second copy of Crystallizer of Dreams just to get more low value cards out of the deck cycle.
While this deck functions perfectly well on it own, I will admit that part of the reason it seemed broken to me was that I paired up with a Carson Sinclair and a Leo Anderson with a sniper rifle.
What your can do for you:
- FIght enemies! While this is a deck with excellent damage output, it is essential that someone can take care of the enemies in the early game before you play your Ornate Bow.
- Encounter protection! This deck is very weak against tests, and I'm too greedy to run "You handle this one!" because having situational cards in the deck would slow you down. This is why cards like "Let me handle this!". First Watch and horror tanking is so helpful for Winifred.
- More supplies! Guardians run Stick to the Plan, which means they can have on-demand access to Emergency Cache, a great card for your Thieves' Kit you won't take because you're out of xp and deck slots ... and there's no icon. Guardians can also take Venturer which allows you to shoot 2 arrows consecutively.
What you can do for your :
- Cash...! Most guardians are so very desperate for resources, and you've got just the right thing! After a few scenarios it's not hard to save up the full 10 resources on your Embezzled Treasure. Opening with an extra 5 resources is definitely going to make a guardian's day.
- Ammo...! With a little coordination, you should be able to play Contraband right after they play their Extra Ammunition on a big gun, which probably means they don't need to play anything else for the rest of the game :)
- Passing important tests! Later in the campaign you can pick up Money Talks, which can help your old man Leo Anderson to pass any test from anywhere on the map.
(Get it?? Okay sorry...)
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Weaknesses: This is probably the highest-variance aspect of this deck. Like with most decks that cycle heavily, some weaknesses are very easy to deal with, while others will just completely screw you over.
- Weaknesses like Indebted, The Devil • XV or The Tower • XVI are mild since you won't be drawing them multiple times. Others like the three Unspeakable Oath's you can also just keep in your hand until the last cycle.
- On the other end of the spectrum, cards like Amnesia or Paranoia that stays in your deck and hit you hard every time you draw them would be super painful to play with. Of course, dealing with Doomed is very simple: you just aggressively cycle your deck until it kills you in the first scenario, and then you switch to another investigator :)
- The weaknesses that stays in play for a while like Guardian of the Crystallizer and Haunted are the most interesting to deal with. Basically you want to deal with these after you've just shuffled your deck if possible, so that they don't show up again before the next cycle.
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Setting up and taking flight: Given the many pieces for the full setup, this deck is a little tricky to get going. Leo De Luca and Crystallizer of Dreams are the targets you should mulligan for.
- Before you have the extra hand slot, you might consider prioritizing playing Thieves' Kit over Ornate Bow if there's another capable fighter on your team. Thieves' Kit can help you cycle your deck faster and refund its own cost while you search for the rest of your setup.
- Don't feel bad to draw cards or take resources with your actions in the early game. You will make up the lost tempo when you are fully set up (also it is faster than you'd expect, since many of the cards are fast and you have so many actions each turn).
- Don't save your strongest cards! While it might make sense to save Ace in the Hole for the boss or Anything You Can Do, Better for a really bad treachery, remember that you lose out on value if you don't use these cards before you shuffle your deck!
- Keep cards out of the cycle! Sometimes it can be really tempting to just commit your second copy of Leo De Luca or Crystallizer of Dreams to your teammate's tests, but you should be aware that doing so would slow you down in the next deck cycle.
Here I've provided the link to the 0xp deck. Upgrading from this version of the deck should be fairly self-evident.
In terms of further upgrades, apart from Ace in the Hole and Versatile-ing a pair of Track Shoes, Haste gives you your fifth action (most of your actions are activate actions), and Money Talks is a fast-draw-gambit-event that helps your teammates pass important tests.
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19 comments |
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Aug 30, 2023 |
Aug 30, 2023Thumbs up and a like just for the piloting pun alone. Great deck. |
Aug 31, 2023
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Sep 25, 2023Thanks for making good deck. Even I haven't had all the card in my collection now. But I think I have the direction. Thank again. |
Oct 08, 2023The 0xp version of this deck isn't 0xp. What would you use instead of ornate bow until you can buy it? |
Oct 08, 2023I should really read all the cards before commenting. |
Dec 27, 2023Hi. I love the deck concept, but a bit confused on how it works. If you investigate, I thought you can only commit book cards to that test? Swift Reflexes/Manual Dexterity could not be added to an Investigate test? I’ve only been playing a little while so keen to learn. |
Dec 31, 2023
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Dec 31, 2023Thanks. That makes sense. What if you add them together, like Breaking and Entering? Can you add Manual Dexterity then? |
Dec 31, 2023You cannot. "An appropriate skill icon is either one that matches the skill being tested, or a wild icon. The investigator performing this test gets +1 to his or her skill value during this test for each appropriate skill icon that is committed to this test." So nothing added for skill icons not matching and if the card lacks the appropiate skill icon it can't be commited at all. |
Dec 31, 2023
It is rare (though does happen) that you can test multiple skills at the same time. There's only one I can think of off-hand, which occurs on scenario cards. |
Mar 04, 2024Would you change this deck in light of the release of British Bulldog? That seems like it could be better than Ornate Bow, although you'd run out of ammo - but it seems like you're cycling enough to potentially re-play it pretty often |
Mar 12, 2024Upgrade being ''obvious'' dont help me at all xD it may be obvious for you or other highly experienced players but not for people who come here just to not play with starter decks, would appreciate a little help in what to buy and the order of it, thx. |
Mar 16, 2024
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Mar 21, 2024Trying to pilot this as a main fighter, 2 player, to support cluever. I think I'm going to take the British bulldog path with the deck, and maybe even another gun (while using false surrender) to make sure I have enough consistency and ammo. It'll still be mostly foot test based, as a deck concept. Do you think, in general, it would run less action boosts because it doesn't have unlimited ammo, and because it's focused more on combat than on being a flex? I feel the extra actions are useful IF you can crank out clues on your down time. If you're mostly a enemy fighter, then extra actions are more break glass in case of emergency, you think? I think the new bewitching is very very good for her; putting an easy mark under that is freaking amazing tbh, as well as pilfer, or a even false surrender. I like that permanent in addition to underworld market. Such a good use of permanents, feels like if stick to the plan were an entire investigator concept, AND if it was interesting. I still really like the "high cycle" concept, and the crystallizer. Good stuff. |
Sep 01, 2024About to finish a RttFA campaign with this Winnifred and Boxing with Knives Lily, and it’s been a great ride. I have to say I wanted to question quite a few cards, but as games went through, everything was handy at one point or another. Or provided that extra needed icon. It’s kind of fun to pilote a deck that just will not run out of juice! “ Upgrading from this version of the deck should be fairly self-evident” A quick note here: it took me a bit of work to figure out which were the cards to go Underworld Market, especially as I had not realized at first there were only 10 illicit cards in the whole deck. Certainly not a big deal, but it can be tricky when not familiar with the list. Anyways, many thanks, it’s been a lot of fun playing this (and Lily Chen too). |
Sep 11, 2024I only played a single scenario so far, but this deck fucking rules! I have never really cared for Rogues, they just haven't clicked with me. Except for Monterey, but that's because he's actually a seeker:) But this deck. This deck man. I have never been so damn giddy while playing this game. It's just fun! it's ridiculous, it's daring, it's just a perfect flavor-deck for Winifred. Absolutely love it! |
Sep 14, 2024Two scenarios in to (Return to) The Forgotten Age: I love this deck, it rocks! This is so much fun. Some technical details that I feel are missing in the description here: For Underworld Market to do anything at all, you need to have 10 or more Illicit cards in your deck, otherwise the start-of-scenario trigger fails and nothing happens. This means the path from the suggested 0 xp deck is a little awkward. You may need to pad out those 10 with some other cards; I would recommend British Bull Dog and in particular Disguise, and you may find you need to buy an out-of-sequence Pay Day here, depending on how many Contrabands you think you actually need (one may suffice when you aren't playing with a gun-wielding Guardian. Another note: I think taking In The Thick Of It to get Ornate Bow may be a mistake, depending on what campaign you're playing and what teammates you have; that Trauma might really hurt. It may be better to start with a British Bull Dog or two as your starting weapon, and upgrade into the bow after one of the first scenarios. Anyway, Disguise is an amazing card, that is Illicit and you should play it! Even if you aren't convinced that it's good for dealing with enemies the campaign throws at you, there is no better way of slowing down that Guardian of the Crystallizer until your deck cycles and you can ignore it for ever. Tl;dr 10/10 deck play it |
Nov 25, 2024Almost finished TFA now, just wanted to add: if you can find room for Pickpocketing somewhere (it’s Illicit too, so fits in the Market), that works very well in this deck. |
In a higher xp game would you ever consider replacing ornate bow with sharpshooter + beretta?